Gold to $5000.. could happen
The Many Faces of Gold
BY BRIAN PRETTI | june 4, 2010
Who isn’t talking about gold these days? Maybe that’s more the appropriate question than not. Of course dial the clock back seven to ten years and serious discussions of gold set against the context of the macro credit cycle, monetary and fiscal policy, etc. were almost strictly confined to the bearish underground. Certainly we are in the underground no more. Well above ground and gaining more widespread recognition by the day as many of the former bearish underground rationales for accumulating and holding gold are now coming true right before our eyes and clearly entering mainstream debate, if not conviction. It’s time for a quick little review for two reasons. I want to have very much an unconventional look at gold that I really have not seen in this conceptual format anywhere else. As you know, charts of gold relative to the major global currencies are a dime a dozen. I don’t want to waste your time as you can find them anywhere and everywhere across the net. Gold is breaking out really against all global currencies. That’s not new news. The Dow and S&P expressed in terms of gold, etc. Pretty conventional stuff in terms of more mainstream commentary and analysis. So let’s have a look at gold relative to what are important historic economic markers of the real economy itself. And it just so happens that this little view of life dovetails into the second purpose for presenting this review. We’ve all seen a number of pundits predict $2,000 gold, $3,000 gold and even perhaps a moon shot to $5,000 gold and beyond. Yet so much of what we all see with these predictions is accompanied by little to no concrete numbers based rationales as to why any of these numbers might make sense or eventually become a reality. Well guess what? I’ll give you some numbers based reasons as to why all of these projections could indeed come true based on actual historical precedent grounded in the reality of the real economy itself. Let’s get to it with some preliminary thoughts.
First a little watch point for the three to four months coming at us dead ahead. It just so happens that literally just a few weeks back the large commercial players had a record short in gold as per the COT data. Either these sharp shooters will be correct and gold is setting up for a perhaps meaningful pullback, or this is rocket fuel for a short squeeze of perhaps some magnitude. What we do know is that over the June through August time frame immediately before us, gold will be entering its historical calendar based period of relatively consistent seasonal price weakness. As you can see in the chart below, after that it’s back to the September through February period of meaningful seasonal price strength. It will be very important to watch just how gold acts during the upcoming weak calendar based period. Much like gold has been ascending as the dollar has done the same really over the last three to four months, will the price of gold move higher and essentially break ranks with past calendar based rhythm? Stay tuned as gold will be telling us a “story” about its ongoing bull market journey over the summer of this year.
A few more quick little looks back before we get to the economic comparatives promised that may cause us all to “dream” about potential asset values and price trajectories ahead. Although this is sure to sound melodramatic, the prior decade of the 2000’s was a bit of a ground-breaking exercise for gold set against the context of the postwar US economic period up to that point. The following chart is the month end price of gold from the early 1970’s onward. Of course drawn in are the official periods of US recession with the red bars. Notice anything?
Of course you do. From the 1970’s through the 1990’s, in the immediate aftermath of every official US recessionary period gold prices declined. There are no exceptions, even after the very mean mid-1970’s economic downturn when the trajectory of inflation in the US was about to change generational viewpoints and behaviors. As is clear, the price of gold has now risen after both the 2001 recession and the Great Recession we have just lived through. This is more than noticeable change. Gold is saying something very different about the character of the current macro financial and economic environment. And it turns out its not alone in voicing that opinion. What we also know is that in the near perfect clarity of hindsight equity prices peaked on a secular basis right in front of the very recession after which gold would change its post recessionary character that has now been consistent right up to the present. It’s not just gold that changed its supposed traditional behavior. Not by along shot.
Just what the heck changed in the early 2000’s that would have disrupted what investors had come to expect from the behavior of gold and equities in general? Although it’s just my little viewpoint of life, I believe the key change is captured in the narrative within the chart below. We’re looking at total US credit market debt relative to GDP. The chart below really covers the bulk of the period over which we looked at gold in the above chart. The official Fed numbers go back to the early 1950’s, but unofficial numbers date back to the early part of the last century. Okay, here’s the point. Historically the prior peak for this ratio came in 1934 very near 260%. Of course at the time this ratio was driven by a collapse in US GDP, not necessarily a spike in credit acceleration. And guess what happened as we moved into the decade of the 2000’s? That’s right, we crossed the credit cycle “Rubicon” and boldly went where the US economy and financial system has never gone before – above the 260% historical peak in the ratio of total US credit market debt relative to GDP. Moreover, in the current cycle this phenomenon was not driven by a collapse in GDP, but a generational in character acceleration in credit outstanding! Implying? The US economy has never been this highly levered based on credit intake.
As gold bottomed at the time early in the last decade, was it one of the few asset classes to initially sit up and take notice of this historic change? Was it one of the few asset classes starting to price in the potential consequences of having crossed the proverbial credit market Rubicon of the prior historical peak in the credit market debt to GDP ratio? Was gold quietly saying then and has it been saying ever since, “okay, that’s enough, I’ve had it”? The fact that this character change for gold coincided with a secular equity bull market peak is no coincidence.
Once In A While You Get Shown The Light In The Strangest Of Places If You Look At It Right…Onward. Let’s have a look at a number of relationships hopefully a bit unique in terms of the historic and current analysis of gold relative to the character of the real US economy itself. As suggested to you at the outset of this discussion, I see little in the way of hard data quantification when watching various pundits project bull market price possibilities for gold in current analysis. Most of these numbers seem to have been pulled from out of the blue. But as it turns out many of these “guesses” actually represent realistic possibilities more than not. Please remember, the correct characterization here is “price possibilities”, not price guarantees. Okay? As you already know, there are few guarantees in this wonderful world that are not rather somber in nature (death and taxes being the two guarantees).
Let’s start with a quick peek at the historic price of gold relative to the official CPI numbers. In other words, gold relative to the general reported level of US price inflation, which we all know is understated anyway. The first observation here parallels the comments about gold in post recessionary periods after 2000. This ratio always fell in post recessionary periods over the 1970-2000 time frame. But that all changed over the last decade. We do need to remember that the CPI calculation itself has changed so many times under so many political administrations since the 1970’s that are all of these historical numbers, and the gold relative to CPI ratio itself by extension, directly comparable? Perhaps not, but we need to work with what we have. Of course what is done in the chart is to equate the prior peak ratio seen in the late 1970’s/early 1980’s to the present level of the CPI. As stated in the chart, the peak ratio relative to the current CPI number would project an approximate $1,900 level for gold.
But c’mon, we just can’t trust those CPI numbers, right? That current ratio would be much higher if CPI were reported properly, correct? Well, let’s look at something that has not been adjusted in terms of its reporting and is expressed in nominal terms. Exactly as gold is priced in nominal dollars. Okay, here comes the unconventional stuff, as promised. Below is a look at gold relative to the history of average hourly wages. Yes, the ratios look a bit staggering in terms of percentage levels, but it’s the simple division of the gold price by average hourly wages over time. At the peak of gold prices based on month end pricing which occurred literally in January of 1980, gold priced at $681.50 while average hourly wages at the time clocked in at $6.19. Yes it took 111x’s the average hourly wage to buy an once of gold. Imagine the average worker having to work close to a month (assuming taxes on wages) to buy an ounce of gold. That indeed was the reality at the time.
As detailed in the chart, equating that peak ratio in January of 1980 to the current average hourly wage would project a gold price of a touch above $1,900. Imagine that, the projection is exactly on top of what we saw with the ratio of gold to the CPI at its own peak. Maybe that darn CPI was not too far off the mark, now was it? Again, although a lot of these gold bull market projections seem farfetched on face value, the reality of historical experience tells us they are clearly not out of the question.
Okay, here comes a wild one. The price of gold relative to bank loans and leases outstanding. And yes, another wild one in terms of the percentage ratio in nominal terms. At the moment, we’re examining a $1,200 gold price relative to $6.9 trillion in bank loans and leases outstanding. That’s why the ratio numbers look so crazy. But as you know, it’s not the exact numbers that make up the ratio that are important, but rather it’s the historical levels of the ratio and where we now sit against historical precedent that’s the key comparator. Okay, you’ve seen Doug Casey and a number of others throw around the $5,000 gold price as a possibility. Nuts, right? Ranting and raving. Pure gold bug stuff. Although most would dismiss this number out of hand, I suggest you at least assign it some level of probability, however small, in terms of possible outcome. This ratio captured in the chart below is exactly why. And you already know that conceptually we are looking at a proverbial hard asset relative to a credit cycle based paper relationship. Again, think about the crossing of the macro US credit market cycle “Rubicon” level of 260% we discussed above.
Of course directly related in concept to what was above is the price of gold relative to the US M2 money supply outstanding at any point in time. Once again, the proverbial hard asset price versus paper money level relationship. Based on current M2 numbers and using the ratio at the historic peak, the price of gold projects to a bit over $3,900 per ounce.
As a total aside, and in the interest of not dragging you through another chart, imagine what you see above is a stock price. Would you buy it or sell it at this point? From a technical perspective it’s just about the very definition of a perfect rounding bottom chart formation. As with virtually all of the charts shown so far, I could draw in all of the higher highs and higher lows, perhaps in some cases excluding the 2008 macro market and temporary liquidity plunge. Technically they are all bullish chart formations and many “project” technically much higher.
As you’d imagine, I could go on and on with the comparisons of gold relative to real world economic markers, but will end it right here with a look at one last ratio related to US household net worth. Important why? As I see it, one of, if not THE, most important investment objectives especially for individuals looking ahead is the maintenance of purchasing power of existing capital. So, here’s a quick peek at the price of gold relative to household net worth. Again, we’re comparing gold at hundreds and thousands of dollars with household net worth numbers in the trillions, but it’s the rhythm of the historic relationship that’s important here, as it has been in all of these comparatives. One last time, if we took the prior historic peak and equated it with current household net worth as of the latest official 4Q 2009 numbers, gold projects to $3,320.
I know you get it. I just hope it’s helpful to put some real world longer term price and economic relationships behind these seemingly crazy gold price projections of the moment. Something in the $2,000-$5,000 range for gold is certainly no guarantee, but likewise not at all out of the question based on direct historical precedent. No ranting and raving. No pulling what seem like wild numbers out of the blue. Prices based on human behavior and decision making we have indeed directly experienced in the past.
Before ending, just a bit of very quick self examination. As you are all too aware, in the historical chart exercises above I’ve marked all ratios to the prior peak seen in late 1979/early 1980 to come up with these potential projected gold prices. Just how fair is that? After all, that was a bubble peak that has stood the test of time up to the present as far as these relationships are concerned. Yes, we’ve passed that gold price peak in nominal dollar terms, but in inflation adjusted terms we’re still a good ways away. Fair enough and a criticism that at least needs to be acknowledged. So I do. But we believe it’s also more than fair to point out the very meaningful and really global macro economic and financial market differences between the current period and that of the late ’70’s/early ’80s. These differences? Well, do you have a few hours for us to go over them? The highlights of course being levels of leverage in the economy both domestically and globally – night and day differentials. Derivatives – loaded to the gills versus nonexistent. Currencies – currency meltdowns back then were relegated to virtually third world economies as opposed to the major developed G7 economies. And globalization was not even a concept at the time. So although I have indeed used prior peak comparatives, I believe we can all agree that the current global cycle is generational in terms of compare and contrast differences. Again, I’m not making predictions here. Simply pointing out how human beings have acted within historical context to price the barbarous relic that just may turn out to be not so barbarous after all, nor a relic for that matter. As always, keep an open mind.
Brian Pretti
Contrary Investor
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thanks for lengthy read. Here is another interesting read on $5000 gold.
“A wish for $5,000 gold could also mean a wish for a total breakdown in society as an increasingly worthless dollar would mean the have-nots would have even less, if that is possible, and many of the middle classes would be turned into have-nots. Think Great Depression in spades – with perhaps a less disciplined, more violent, and gun toting, underclass than in the 1930s. That’s pretty unpleasant to contemplate, but a huge rise in the gold price could well mean just that.”
full story at mineweb: http://tinyurl.com/2a78ra4
Heres some good reading on Ole… link below.. I think this a bit old by a few months. I wonder who was responsible for this. In reading it… it’s still difficult to understand how many ounces they have/had…. and exactly what oz they will consider for the FS…..The FS will totally impact the IRR and NPV #’s…. so the Gold count is critical . BUT…… if they really do put out the additional Resource Update which they say ” is anticipated for July” …. and would come out after the FS. The Update hopefully show another approx 1 mil oz., again…. this wont affect the FS and the all important Profitability #’s…. but it will help our SP… and give it another Pop. Maybe take it over 2 in late Summer.???? comments
http://www.smallcapvoice.com/olepf/factsheet.html
Amen Ggldfather. The FS study will confirm what we pretty much already know. Additional resource update: that’s the key. That’s what makes this SP take off. You got it right. An additional 1 mil. oz would be huge. You get enough gold and we’re off.
Gentlemen:
Am I missing something? Surely the entire gold-following world knows what Oromin is set to report…..or at least have a pretty good idea. I continue hearing that the share price will ZOOM when they report what everyone is expecting. So here’s the question: If everyone expects the gold to be reported, wouldn’t it already be reflected in the share price? I say we don’t see $1.00 by August 1st. The share price IMO already reflects the gold-in-ground. Oromin goes higher when a buyout comes…not before.
AB
the market prices in expectations .. the real upside is when results exceed expectations..
waiting to have my expectations exceeded.. 🙂
caliche
Andy….
whats your guess on the Buy Out? When do you think it’ll happen. I think the contract w/ Grandich for 12 minths (I think)… is a clue.
GF
Back in March you responded to my e-mail, thank you very much, concerning what you thought might be the stock with the most upside in the next 180 days. Would you give me your opinion as to how you feel about that today? Also, any idea why they never talk about Santa Rosa?
I still don’t see a buyout until well into next year.
Mallard:
My favorite stock for the next 180 days…..hmmmm, that’s a tough question. I have mentioned in the past that biotech is the place for the type of returns that are commonly discussed on this blog. Most investors here talk about stocks going from .75 to $3.00 or more. I don’t see that with gold. Oromin could get that in a buyout but I still think that’s quite a long distance from here. What type of risk are you willing to assume? If you don’t mind risk I have three that I Iike…….PIP, VRAL, and a tobacco play CIGX. I’m invested in all three and I don’t mind the risk. These are all potential doubles or more but also could completely implode. Good luck. And I hope Caliche is correct and Oromin exceeds in a huge way all of our expectations!!!
AB
AB and Caliche…
On the sp …. and the market anticipating….. I agree on the theory, but we’re talking abt Ole here. Noone really ever knows what these guys are going to do . A bit unreliable. And i think the market knows that by now. Therefore the Market is waiting to see “in writing” what actually happens here. When the FS actually is published w/ the good Profitibility #’s (IRR and NPV) and the FS shows more than 3 mil oz ( what I have read is the minimum a mine needs to be Profitable)… then I think the market will act very positively. Then the follow up Resource Update ” anticipated in July” ( we’ve heard that before) probably in September. But maybe another 1 mil oz… For a total of 4.5 +… and the sp COULD be close to 2.
Yes thats hopeful. But w/ Grandich doing some stuff, POG close to 1300, and maybe some Investment Houses pushing it…. just maybe.
And remember, chet cant get a B/O at 3 if the sp is just 80 cents. Thats why he’s hired PG.
Daddy:
I hope your crystal ball is more clear than mine. I also appreciate your optimism!!
AB
Note Below….Article on Rangold of their Senegal Mine. Mentions the 3 mil oz needed that qualifies a Profitable Mine. Says it could one of their best !
Just hope we have 3 mil OZ in the FS.
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From Mining News:
Randgold Resources Ltd., the owner of gold mines in West Africa, said a deposit in Senegal has exceeded expectations and may be one of its top discoveries.
The Massawa project is “a lot better” than the company’s Tongon deposit in Ivory Coast was at the same stage of development, said Chief Executive Officer Mark Bristow. Tongon, which is scheduled to begin output next year, contains 3 million ounces of reserves, which is the estimated amount of gold that can be mined profitably.
Massawa has “lots more potential” than Tongon, Bristow said in a telephone interview from Senegal yesterday. “We have made a discovery that runs the risk of being one of our best.”
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Andy I appreciate your answer but my question was aimed at Caliche.
Hi Mallard..
im sorry i dont remember what i said in march..lol gettingold ..
if i mentioned MLA it has done well .. im out of that one now..
TUO i just bought another 20,000 units of financing and now hold 90,000 shares..
i also hold 90,000 shares of NES
I think NES will move sooner with the announcement of the Ana Paula closing and commencement of exploration.
TML was a disappointment but i have started buying that one at around .30 again.
so in short i would say NES and TUO are the two i have that i think will shine this summer.. NES first and TUO later in the summer as results come in..
santa rosa is in the background .. i think they are focussed on gold and dont want to spend their own money on oil right now..
agree with your buyout timeframe
hope all is well!
caliche
Caliche…. whats your call on the B/O.
About when do you think we’ll egt a B/0
Just your ball park Guess.
Hey Caliche!
you wrote: “… lol gettingold…”
did you mean…
Getting Old… or Gettin Gold..?
Just wondering..
h1
hahaa.. getting old..but i also like gettin gold..
ohh .. the buyout.. i think it depends a lot on gold and on the profitability of the FS
gold up and a nice IRR and ROI should get us bought before fall..
gold up and a so so FS .. mid year next year
all depends on chet and how realistic he is with whatever number he has in his head..
Thanks for your comments Caliche.
Caliche—Your opinion is that with gold up and a nice IRR and ROI , we could see a buy out yet this year…..I not only agree , but believe this is the most likely scenario……Only a fool or an idiot predicts the short term price of gold……Since I qualify on all accounts , I predict gold will surpass $1300 within two weeks and well over $1500 by year end…….I further predict that the FS will be better than nice by being somewhere between good to excellent……However , I make NO predictions on what number Chet has in mind…..He evidently is going for a higher price than we have been discussing on this forum……Appears he will only prove good economical feasibility with the FS and then add to the immense resources later……Probably only report 4 million + proven and probable in July( I previouslly thought 5 million + )…..Then start adding significantly higher ounces from Sept on with the higher grade deposits…Not really a bad strategy , just prolongs my agony….
Arlene, I hope you are right on the buyout but I still feel there is a whole lot that is undiscovered. This does not mean there can’t be a buy out but I think Chet will take more time to add to what is already there, IMHO.
Chet gets 20 minutes to tell the Oromin story:
http://www.tvca.org.tw/download/20100615.pdf
Tomorrow in Hong Kong
Socialbernie—-I think he will basically use the latest Oromin Presentation as shown on the Ole web-site……
http://www.allpennystocks.com/aps_ca/company_spotlights/archives/ole.asp
The above link is a long report done in April . Good reading by AllPenny stocks.com
Per this report… says the FS should be getting wrapped up by now. Stock inched up late in the day to 85.
In my last post , I meant to say IMO , “he will basically use the latest Oromin Presentation (as shown on the Ole web-site)…..PLUS some updated info such as was reflected in the last NR……..Sorry , I really am getting old and senile………
Will be over 1 mil sahres traded today on the TSX. Thats a lot. I guess the good news on the FS is getting out. With Chet going all over the world, hong kong, Shang Hai , and throughout canada on a promo tour….. wheres PG with any news about that.? And 1 mil shares traded isnt news worthy. ? I wonder what he brings to the table at all.? He’s going to put out a PR july saying Ole got the FS out ? BFD . ! Thats promotion, and analysis? He puts more in his report criticizing OLE shareholders than he deos abt the company and newsworthy info. So much to tell…. and he and the Co seem to want to keep it hidden.
goldfather…
I agree… Mister PG Tips seems nuttier than squirrel pooh as of late and it seems he’s now riled up a lot more than just investors with his incessant religious views and inane youtube linkage.
http://www.grandich.com/2010/06/from-the-desk-of-peter-grandich-4/
however, mgmt must have a reason for taking on this buffoon so we will all just have to wait and see.
kr&glta